Re: Cookies & sessions

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On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:00:30 +0000, ash@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Ashley Sheridan) wrote:

>On Fri, 2010-01-22 at 08:58 +1100, clancy_1@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:54:44 -0500, tedd.sperling@xxxxxxxxx (tedd) wrote:
>> 
>> >At 12:15 PM +1100 1/21/10, clancy_1@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> >>On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:05:42 -0200, bsfajardo@xxxxxxxxx (Bruno Fajardo) wrote:
>> >>
>> >>  >Well, I hope this information is helpful.
>> >>
>> >>Yes, thanks to everyone who contributed.  I now have a better 
>> >>understanding of what
>> >>cookies are, and have turned on output buffering, enabling me to put 
>> >>the handler where I
>> >>want, and still be able to debug it.
>> >>
>> >>Clancy
>> >
>> >One last thing.
>> >
>> >I use sessions for the storage of variables I need between pages, but 
>> >I use cookies to leave data on the user's computer in case they come 
>> >back to my site and want to pick up where they left off.
>> >
>> >Both operations store variables, but are for different purposes.
>> 
>> Yes; I'm doing that too.  I am setting up a private website, and using cookies to control
>> access to it.
>> 
>> Clancy
>> 
>
>
>Don't use cookies, use sessions for this. Information stored in cookies
>is susceptible to being read by pretty much anyone, hence the scare of
>using cookies that people get. Cookies in themselves are not the
>problem, but using them for anything you want to keep safe, like login
>details, etc, is a bad idea. Generally, a session ID is stored in the
>cookie, which gives nothing away to anyone trying to read it.

Thank you all for your comments.

My reasoning in using a cookie for user recognition, rather than relying on the session
ID, was that with a cookie I could ensure that the connection effectively lasted for some
specified period, whereas the session ID lifetime seems to be somewhat short and
ill-defined.  In this way I can be sure that the user will not be logged out unexpectedly.
The actual value of the cookie I use is an MD5 hash of some user information with an
additional random component, so that it would be extremely difficult to extract anything
useful from it.  It could equally be a random number, as it is verified by matching with a
value stored on the server.  I am also considering changing it every so often (every
hour?) while the user is logged in, so that an old value would be useless to a hacker.

At present I am using a normal text window for the user to log in, and I suspect that this
is by far the weakest link in the system.  The website is relatively obscure, and there is
nothing particularly valuable on it, but I would be grateful for any suggestions how I
could make this procedure more secure.



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