On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 17:46 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > How would you read this out loud if you were to read it to someone > over the phone? > > ($item->getServiceId() ? $item->getServiceId() : $item->getId()))); > > Thanks! > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > Wow! Here goes: Open-bracket, dollar item hypen greater-than, get service id, no all one word but with a capital S and I. Open and close brackets, question mark, dollar item again, then a hyphen and greater-than, that get service id and brackets bit again, exactly the same as last time; yes, capital S and I again. Colon, no the colon is the one with two dots, not dot and comma. Dollar item again, then hypen, greater-than, get id, with a capital I. Nope, no service bit this time. Now, open bracket and two closing brackets (I assumed the final two on your example were typos?!). now a semi-colon, yes the one with the comma. That's pretty much how I could foresee me telling someone this on the phone, but to be honest, I'd really prefer an email ;) Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk