> several packages available to provide it. But I believe that telling > someone to adopt a complete portal system like CI just to get basic > authentication is gross overkill. There has to be a better way to > provide this core functionality without installing a monster package > that will be 95% superfluous to their needs. I mentioned CI because it got the second-most votes on a very popular Stack Overflow question asking for PHP-framework recommendations. The most-upvoted answer discussed Zend Framework, although it's hard to tell whether it was a good review of ZF, or a negative one, on balance: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2648/what-php-framework-would-you-choose-for-a-new-application-and-why Without knowing more about the OP's requirements, it's hard to say whether CI's other functionality would be largely superfluous. You might be right, though, and I guess my point was just to recommend that the OP look at existing, mature, free, open-source solutions before possibly reinventing the wheel. I would recommend this to anyone looking to build any sort of web app. Could be that nothing out there will end up serving your purposes, but just the experience of looking at existing frameworks, seeing how they're structured, reviewing some of their code, etc., is still likely to be valuable. Ben -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php