My personal take on this goes something like this: I'm not a huge fan of re-inventing the wheel. However, it seems that since the first stable release of PHP 5 into the wild a much needed emphasis has been placed on OOP solutions within the PHP world. Don't read me wrong, I know the importance wasn't lost on folks who already had a good programming head on their shoulders, yet, in all fairness our hands were a bit tied (and I feel that I may receive some argument here) until PHP 5 reached its first stable release. That being said, I find that quite a few of the frameworks still seem to be fledglings and a lot of the new OS projects being built on them are like wheels with some lumps. Even a few commercial projects seem to be like this. I also have a positive outlook with PHP5 and 6 and that is that this language is finally reaching maturity. It is something that I believe and hope allow for continued growth of our new projects without feeling the need to dump them like I saw with the PHP4 projects. On a final rambling note, I like some of the new frameworks I've looked into recently, like CodeIgniter, Yii even Sapphire holds some promise (have a look at the cleaner version in progress). I find myself wanting to add to them, wanting to help improve them and occasionally I too have a fleeting moment where I think "How would my framework be different if I built one from scratch?" Then I realize I don't have that kind of time! lol My clients are waiting. Also, I don't seem to have much trouble switching between frameworks or languages for that matter (PERL, PHP, ASP(bleh), JavaScript, ActionScript) and I guess because of that I find myself just trying to find the best solution for the clients need at hand and build from there. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Kolbo [mailto:kolb0057@xxxxxxx] Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 4:54 PM To: php-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Tony Marston Subject: Frameworks / obstinate? Tony Marston wrote: > "Nitsan Bin-Nun" <nitsan@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message > news:d47da0100903220910q7bb66706s6255f0fc89b98ae9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Don't forget to attach the message to the list. >> >> Regarding the frameworks, which of them, for your opinion, will take the >> fastest time to learn and get into code? >> > > Generally speaking if something is fast to learn it is also the first to run > out of steam. If it doesn't have more features than you can learn in five > minutes the it doesn't have enough features to do anything useful, or with > any degree of flexibility. > > Hello, I changed the subject because I did not want to steal Nitsan's thread. There seem to be a ton of frameworks, one-click installation web applications, the latest and greatest wiz-bang applications out there. I find myself extremely reluctant to dig into these code sets. It seems when I do attempt to use one of these pre-coded applications I end up eventually wanting to modify the code outside of the original extent of the project. Invariably I get frustrated and end up wishing I initially begun the development from scratch. Employers seem to be wanting me to have experience with all kinds of 'gimicky' solutions, but I am reluctant to be constantly learning new applications (that i'd prefer to rewrite myself). Am I just being hard headed and reluctant to change, or is my stance justified? I suppose the answer is the middle-path. That is, read some new projects, take the bits I like, leave the bits I don't, etc...The problem is this isn't very marketable. But I suppose, the proof is in the pudding. What a banal way to end an email, eh? What are your thoughts in regard to these two forces: wiz-bang frameworks vs. raw php development? thanks, __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3953 (20090321) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3953 (20090321) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
