After posting to this list to see if it is appropriate and getting good feedback, I'm posting an announcement I think is very relative to this list as I have been using PHP ever since it was a Perl script (PHP/FI) and have been heavily influenced by it's concept and evolution when creating what I am announcing. So the announcement is the launch of something I have been working on in my spare time for a long time and what I believe will be a logical next step in Internet development - ModBox an "Open Platform as a Service" (OPaaS). Ok, what the #@#$ is OPaaS? OPaaS is PaaS, but open. Think Force.com/Google App Engine/Amazon EC2 - but open. Really open. Not fake open like so much other BS services that try to lock you in. In a nutshell, ModBox is a Web-based distributed development environment that is completely neutral in every way. So, you can use any infrastructure you want, any programming language, any server, any OS, any database, etc. to create/distribute applications. Also, because ModBox works over standard HTTP, you can incorporate existing applications or web services into the applications you create. ModBox brings all the pieces together seemlessly for programmers and users. I hope I have borrowed the best ideas from IDE's, RAD, frameworks, Web services grid/cloud computing and Open Source to make a logical ecosystem which puts a much needed front-end/face on all of it. This list is the first place I have announced ModBox and I welcome you to Rock the Box and let me know if it makes as much sense to you as it does to me. I would, of course greatly appreciate any feedback as I am not so bold to think I have cracked the code on the 1.0. The URL is below. ModBox - Open Platform as a Service: http://www.sullivansoftwaresystems.com/modbox Thanks for your time. Brian Sullivan Sullivan Software Systems ModBox - Rock the Box.