Re: Zend Framework...where to start? -- don't.

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On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:37 +0200, Sancar Saran wrote:
> On Thursday 15 January 2009 17:45:35 Robert Cummings wrote:
> ....
> > >
> > > Hell, yes, signed to from start to end.
> > >
> > > After RoR, PHP guys (including Zend) goes nuts.
> > > Every one eat his brains to develop RoR like Framework.
> >
> > What are you smoking? I like my framework the way it is. I'm sure others
> > like theirs the way it is. In no way do I try to be like RoR and
> > probably for good reason since I hear mostly bad things about RoR.
> >
> Naah, I left somoking more than 3 years ago and having problems discussing in 
> English (still no former education). 
> 
> And I'm sorry, My English better than your Turkish. 
> So please be polute about my grammar errors. :)
> 
> Everyone likes own dog-meat. 
> And, last week I meet a tiny php shop to fix their code against remote file 
> inclusion. Their code was uber mess and one thing make me sad.  
> 
> Their old coder (which he doesn't know anything about current php development 
> trends) do the job wint under 20k phtml code. (most of k was spend for  html 
> tables). maybe 5 functions and so.
> 
> I'm very sure to updating his code with current trends plus some improvement 
> under (excluding the templates) in 20k I can give the answer for 80% of web 
> demands.
> 
> And if we look someting more  TYPO3 / Joomla / Drupal can do the job.
> 
> For Ruby, Perl, Python, you have have a web focused frame work to get job done 
> in faster.
> 
> And that php already web focused language.
> 
> we need faster, more organized, better language, not uber bloated framwork 
> from ZEND.
> 
> > > I wish to see fixed function parameter names
> >
> > Good luck with that... it's been shot down several times on the PHP
> > internals list.
> >
> > > , option orders, easy and strong input validation in PHP 6.
> >
> > Isn't the filters stuff available in PHP5 already for doing stronger
> > validation. It's not like input validation is difficult.
> >
> > > And they give full effort to generate Zend Framework.
> >
> > Huh?
> >
> > > Then what? It still harder than Ror...
> >
> > What is? PHP? What are you talking about?
> 
> I mean, ZEND Framework still harder to handle than RoR.
> 
> >
> > > Hell yes, Compete own community. teh best way to spend your resources...
> >
> > Internal competition only makes something better. If all you have are
> > yes men, then the only answer you'll get is "yes". Having those who
> > dissent in opinion provides a basis for different views and approaches
> > to problem solving. May survival of the fittest benefit all both from
> > the perspective of getting a better final product and from the
> > perspective of learning from mistakes along the way.
> 
> Yes of course and that Zend was not M$, they not swim in to dollar filled 
> pools. 
> 
> And wIth zend framework, Zend begin rivalling against CI, Symphony, Solar and 
> other popular framework communuties. (including yours and mine).

Ah, I see what your saying... I thought you were railing on PHP (punny
eh?) when you were actually railing on Zend in particular. Thanks for
the clarification.

Cheers,
Rob.
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