> -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Finkelstein [mailto:sf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:48 AM > To: php-general > Subject: Anyone jump from Studio 5.5.x -> Zend Eclipse? > > Hi all, > > I've tried googling around to find some blogs with decent information > on whether Zend Eclipse is mature enough to make the jump over from > 5.5.x just yet. > > Admittedly, I've dropped Zend Studio as of late and been writing all > of my code in TextMate -- but at the end of the day when a project is > complex enough, Zend Studio is much more powerful than TextMate with > all of its features and remote debugging capabilities. > > Anyhow, I'm curious if it's worth it to check out Zend Eclipse yet. > We're a team of about 5-6 developers and I've been getting asked by a > few colleagues if I've tried it out yet since I'm usually the one to > try out the newer technologies. > > I'd love to hear some feedback. > > Thanks! > > /sf I'm also interested on this. I've tested Zend Eclipse just a bit and it looks promising, except for what we all know about Eclipse (and Zend) it eats all your RAM like a critter. I use Dreamweaver (yeah, don't laugh!) for the purely HTML related stuff (however, almost never the design view), Topstyle for CSS and PHPDesigner for PHP coding (if you usually use an MVC-like framework, you may know what I mean). However, it's almost always only me involved in the process (maybe one more dev and rarely three of us). Eclipse sounds like a panacea because in theory you can even add code completion for JavaScript and get the best out of JS coding when you use, say Prototype or ExtJS. But, every time I tried Eclipse (whatever "flavor" you pick), I had a hard time trying to get "what I want" out of it. I prefer simplicity and I'm bound by a kind of Unix philosophy (get several programs, each one doing "exactly what you want" and concatenate the outputs of each). But that's me and that's me right NOW. If I had to work with more than two people, I'd surely take the Eclipse learning curve once and forever and I'd upgrade my hardware to tons of RAM if necessary. In a team you need integration (that's what IDEs are good for), and I don't know of another IDE that can provide you as many features for as many languages. If I was in your shoes, I'd give Zend Eclipse a respectful try. Moreover, if you are Mr-T in your office ("T" for technology), they will expect you to do so. And... there's no textmate for Windows (is there any?) if you ever consider that OS as a development platform, nor there is anything compared to Eclipse (at least I didn't find something alike). And... Zend Studio is the past, Zend Eclipse is the present and future (if you like Zend Products): "We expect that for many customers an Eclipse based product will be preferable. With all the functionality and extensibility of Eclipse, it simply provides richer functionality than Zend could create on our own. However, by continuing to support and maintain Zend Studio V5.5 we will let customers decide when to migrate to the next generation product. Migration tools are provided to streamline the adoption process." - http://www.zend.com/products/studio/studio55 Anyway, I don't have such an experience in team leadership for more than two/three people (including myself in the group), so I can be wrong. I'd LOVE to hear a "real voice", speaking about "real projects" and "real teams", where you need a common environment to avoid development chaos. I would buy a book on the subject if you can recommend one (but one about the "real thing" and not too academically oriented). Regards, Rob Andrés Robinet | Lead Developer | BESTPLACE CORPORATION 5100 Bayview Drive 206, Royal Lauderdale Landings, Fort Lauderdale, FL 33308 | TEL 954-607-4207 | FAX 954-337-2695 | Email: info@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | MSN Chat: best@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | SKYPE: bestplace | Web: bestplace.biz | Web: seo-diy.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
