Thanks. I use kubuntu and have all ooo including base, but it seems very minimal. I connected via jdbc (as only other option is odbc for mysql). I can't even see how to define a key as auto increment, there is no option. I tried dbdesigner4 and it is very old and buggy on linux. I found a post that suggested I download the windows version and run it under wine. Works great. As for the OT, many apologies, I never even thought of looking for a php-db list, thanks for the heads-up. -Shawn Thanks! -Shawn Daniel Brown wrote: > On Feb 12, 2008 7:46 PM, Shawn McKenzie <nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Can anyone recommend a preferably visual DB design tool? I normally use >> mysql, but one that covered several types wood be cool. I'm on Linux, >> so the new mysql workbench is a dud. I used it in an alpha or prior >> version and it looked promising but crashed frequently. They say a >> Linux version in 2008, but I'm not holding my breath. >> > > For RAD-style database design, check out OpenOffice.org Base. I > know it comes pre-packaged with Mandriva (which I use), but I'm not > certain about other distros. Depending on your flavor, you can > probably apt-get, yum, urpmi, or manually install from an RPM or DEB. > > It works a lot like Filemaker and Access, so if you're familiar > with those, you should notice a lot of similarities. Plus, it will > work without a problem with MyODBC, Unix ODBC, JDBC, and native > connections. > > For future reference though, Shawn, try sending to the PHP-DB list > when asking questions like that. Then it's not off-topic. ;-) > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php