Well, I understand the concept of "I have paid, so I get to ask whatever I want." and if he indeed did pay for access to that IRC channel, then he should strive to get his money back for being banned. However, paid or not, I subscribe to the "give a man a fish or teach a man how to fish" philosophy, and answering lazy questions breeds lazy programmers, which in the end hurts us all. Part of this job is learning how to learn, and so many times people just want you to write the code for them. -- Stephen Johnson c | eh The Lone Coder http://www.thelonecoder.com continuing the struggle against bad code http://www.thumbnailresume.com -- > From: bruce <bedouglas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:10:48 -0800 > To: 'Stephen Johnson' <maillists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, > <php-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: RE: Banned from #php > > Hey Stephen.. > > gotta kind of agree with you about the friends aspect of the net!!! i've > often thought that there's a business to be had, by actually setting up irc > channels/forums/threads where you have people pay some small amount to > actually be able to be part of a system where you're going to get reasonable > answers to questions... > > you minimize the blatant lazy questions, as you've had to pay to belong to > the channel... and at the same time, you can still help people with really > basic questions who really are trying to resolve something, but they simply > need help... > > you could probably easily get businesses to sponsor this as well.. > > peace.. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Johnson [mailto:maillists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:47 PM > To: php-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Banned from #php > > > It seems to me... And this is just my unimportant opinion.... > > But... > > Your initial question was a violation of the RTFM and STFW tenets... Both > would have provided you answers to such a basic question rather quickly.. > > Then when wolfpaws provided you more information (print_r added to your > google search provides the answer in the second listing) you again violated > the above tenets. (second strike if you will ) > > Then when you were finally spoonfed an answer that you should have known > before ever even starting your first session in PHP... You thanked wolfpaws > by telling him he was obnoxious... (third strike and your banned)... > > Again, I am not a member of #php or any irc channel for that matter, and I > have no idea who this wolfpaws is, but his actions seem justified to me... > And that is just from hearing your side of the story ... > > Lastly, you said : > >> I hope this is the right place to ask because I simply can't find any > place >> else to ask for help. > > No, I do not believe that this is the right to ask this question, since it > has nothing to do with PHP, and apparently the moderator of said IRC channel > is not here... > > Remember, when coding, php.net and google are friends. Everyone else hates > you. It is not personal, it's just a fact. > > > > -- > Stephen Johnson c | eh > The Lone Coder > > http://www.thelonecoder.com > continuing the struggle against bad code > > http://www.thumbnailresume.com > -- > > > > >> From: Brenden Wilson <brenden.wilson@xxxxxxxxx> >> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:19:17 -0800 >> To: <php-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Subject: Banned from #php >> >> I hope this is the right place to ask because I simply can't find any > place >> else to ask for help. >> >> I have been banned from chatting in ##php and I really don't deserve it. >> >> The chat log can be found here: >> http://pastebin.com/f6941dae7 >> (I've deleted conversations from other people) >> >> >> Wolfpaws banned me for calling him obnoxious. I don't know if he does > this >> to everybody, but he rarely helps me but almost always calls me an idiot > for >> asking questions. He has been doing this for several weeks now and I have >> only once said something in return to him. He didn't even give me a >> warning.... >> >> >> How can I get unbanned? I'm not a problem in the least bit and when I can >> legitimately answer somebody else's question, I always do. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> Brenden Wilson > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
