Lester Caine wrote: > Robert Cummings wrote: >> Ubuntu = Debian + New Life > > Mandriva has Eclipse and PHPEclipse 'out of the box' along with Apache > and PHP > I can build a fully functional development machine from a pile of bits > in under an hour ;) > And currently that includes downloading the latest updates :) > +1 for Mandriva :) As a long time Mandriva user and not-such-a-long time contributor, I've looked on the rise of Ubuntu with great interest. I think where they've excelled is in community - it's definitely got a lot of momentum.... but where this falls down is the lack of centralised management. There are simply too many independent package repositories out there doing there own packages and not necessarily getting them all correct with their naming and obsoletion etc. This makes it difficult for people upgrading in the future from ad-hoc third party packages to official packages. One of the things I like about Linux (distros) is the central packaging/deployment system as it keeps things neat, tidy and, most importantly, structured... Just my €0.02. Col -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php