Re: [Fwd: Re: PHP Developer Required]

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Some people just have to whine. It's too bad people on this list have to
put up with this behaviour.

We do have a position available for someone who wants to work, and climb
the ladder into what could be a lifelong career working with a leading
edge group of developers.  It is a foot in the door position, with
potential to turn into a staff position, as most of these positions do,
and a secure, well paying career with many benefits. You can find out
more about some of the work undertaken at the centre by visiting the Web
site.

http://atrc.utoronto.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=26&Itemid=109

greg


mlists wrote:

>A university, which hypes the need for an education, charges a fortune
>for it (causing people to go into massive debt to get it), and then
>turns around an offers less than a living wage is hypocritical.
>
>"Becoming university staff takes a couple years, after which salaries
>are competivitive with the going rates."  So for the first couple of
>years you get taken advantage of and then, maybe, you will get paid
>more!
>
>That is just not fair.
>
>
>
>On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 14:28 -0400, Greg Gay wrote:
>  
>
>>Rob/mlists
>>
>>You're certainly not encouraging PHP programmers to get involved with
>>paid open source projects. That's a guaranteed $50,000 a yr, a little
>>low perhaps by industry standards, but it is a reasonable starting rate,
>>and gets your foot in the door.
>>
>>You should have a look at who the employer is, and what they do. They
>>(we) are
>>looking for a person who has done their research. This is more than
>>just a job. It has the potential to introduce applicants to a world of
>>experience, not just code crunching, but getting involved with the
>>groups who introduce new technologies and working on leading edge
>>projects (groups like the W3C, IMS, ISO, AICC, and many others) .
>>Experiences you won't get as a programmer for your average software
>>developer. The ATRC is involved with most standards bodies around the
>>world, and has dozen of open source projects on the go.
>>
>>Becoming university staff takes a couple years, after which salaries are
>>competivitive with the going rates. Not to mention a full set of
>>benefits, pension, excellent working environment, including flexible
>>working hours, travel benefits, free university course (get a masters or
>>phd for nothing) etc. Most staff start on a casual/contract basis before
>>being moved into the main stream. Our established programmers do earn in
>>the 90-100G per year, with benefits on top of that. All included, that's
>>somewhere in the $60/hr range, with $0 expenses.
>>
>>You're auto machanic btw, has overhead included in that rate, so that's
>>a rather poor comparison. How much do you think he really makes an hour,
>>after paying expenses out of that $99? And of course 4% isn't a bonus.
>>Contract workers are paid that weekly, while staff accumulate it so they
>>can take holidays and get paid.
>>
>>
>>greg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Robert Cummings wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 13:47 -0400, mlists wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Wow!
>>>>
>>>>Spend $100K on a university degree in computer science, work
>>>>successfully for five years with all the major technologies, and then
>>>>get paid $25 per hour?
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>The poster didn't mention anything about being competent.
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>My auto mechanic charges an average of $99 per hour.
>>>>
>>>>Sounds like a great deal for the university. Maybe the successful
>>>>candidate can work off his student loans.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Well 100k is a bit high for a 4 year program. And then again it depends
>>>on whether you had to move away from your parents to attend university.
>>>If you live within commute range of your university then you can get
>>>away with 20 to 30k expenses in Canada (depending on University). If you
>>>have to cover rent then it's a different story :) That said, Toronto is
>>>one of the most expensive cities in Canada in which to live. IMHO he
>>>still thinks the tech sector is in a depression and developers with 5
>>>years experience can be had for a pittance. What made me laugh was the
>>>"4%" vacation pay. That's a legal requirement in Canada for full time
>>>employment. Not a bonus.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Rob.
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>

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