Re: CSS vs. Tables OT

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On Tuesday 17 April 2007 9:54 pm, Robert Cummings wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 21:21 -0500, Larry Garfield wrote:
> > On Tuesday 17 April 2007 8:14 pm, Robert Cummings wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 18:53 -0500, Larry Garfield wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 17 April 2007 3:40 pm, Robert Cummings wrote:
> > > > > > BTW, any web developer worth his or her salt with a reasonable
> > > > > > amount of practice can make CSS layouts that resize as well as
> > > > > > table based layouts everyday of the week. I will refer you to
> > > > > > http://www.csszengarden.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Only with hacks.
> > > >
> > > > Using tables for layout *is* a hack.  A common one, but still a hack.
> > >
> > > No, it's old school, the only way to do complex layout in the past. At
> > > least tables are backward and forward compatible. CSS is only
> > > semi-forward compatible.
> >
> > Using a semantic data structure for tabular data as a layout language? 
> > That's a hack.  It was a hack that was the only way to accomplish many
> > things in 1997, but that doesn't make it any less of a hack.
> >
> > No, CSS is not perfect.  Far from it.  Of course, designers who still, in
> > 2007, think they're working in a print medium are equally far from
> > perfect.
> >
> > They could all use improvement, but let's not pretend that using a chisel
> > as a screwdriver isn't a hack just because it happens to have a flat end.
>
> You say "Using tables for layout *is* a hack". Unfortunately for you
> tables were intended for laying out tabular data. Thank you, thank you
> very much.

Tabular data != 4 column page layout.

Tabular data = records and fields.  Come on, you've used SQL.  That's a table.  
Sidebars are not tables.

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