CSS is young, it will mature in time, meanwhile to each his own layout manner. I see what you are saying Rob, (yes the BUT) BUT table are "orginally" for formatting data in a litteral manner and css is for "layout". Personally i have a heck of time getting embedded tables to do the job for me especially when mixed with javascript (then again i am not using any click and go make your site "program", and am NOT saying you are, just that generating the layout with php i find easier with embedded divs doing <div><div></div></div> rather then <table><tr><td><table><tr><td></td></tr></table></td></tr></table> and not mentionning the easy of using div classe rather then table/tr/td classes...). I found css to be really helpfull in all my designs with essentially no hacks for cross-browser compatiblity (ie6 ie7 ff1 ff2) which are the 80%+ browsers on the market today. Eggh, maybe i should try opening one of my sites in OPERA one of these days so i can cry :P But then again i don't guarantee they work on any other then the stated browsers and my clients are fine with that... So far.. I see your point and understand fully.. Hopefully css will evolve into a purely compatible layout facilitation for web designers/programmers in the future, so far it has made my day and my UNTable sites are quite clean, and hopefully it will make yours someday ;) Oh and guys, since when is their ONE good way of doing things??? The only thing i regret here is the violence some of these posts take :) Isn't the world full of it already? Can't we tone it down in here where their is some resemblance of peace? ;) Regards, Tim > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Jarrel Cobb [mailto:jarrel.lists@xxxxxxxxx] > Envoyé : vendredi 13 avril 2007 15:24 > À : Robert Cummings > Cc : tedd; ceo@xxxxxxxxx; Jochem Maas; php-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Objet : Re: WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer! > > Nice observation. > > On 4/13/07, Robert Cummings <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Dear Tedd, > > > > Please put me down for one pint of asshole, because while > you sit on > > that glass pedestal of CSS superiority I can't help but notice how > > http://ancientstones.com/ looks completely fucked up in > Opera. Opera I > > might add is ACID2 compliant. Now please go shove your "better than > > thou CSS up your ass" :) Trust me, I am at least as versed > as you in > > CSS and choose to use tables. > > > > Cheers, > > Rob. > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 20:02 -0400, tedd wrote: > > > At 6:31 PM -0500 4/12/07, Richard Lynch wrote: > > > >On Thu, April 12, 2007 1:34 pm, Robert Cummings wrote: > > > >> ... It's too bad, I love CSS, it makes for really > clean markup, > > > >> but using it completely in place of tables just isn't > feasible > > > >> right now without resorting to CSS "tricks". > > > >> And using tricks is just as much against the spirit of CSS as > > > >> using tables for layout :) > > > > > > > >While straying even more OT than usual, I must chime in > with "me too" > > > > > > > >I cannot count the number of times I've seen CSS purists > pull out > > > >gnarly disgusting hacks, far worse than any nested table > layout, to > > > >work around browser incompatibilities. > > > > > > > >It would be nice if CSS actually let designers specify what they > > > >need to specify. [Can you say 3-column layout with page footer?] > > > > > > > >And if browsers actually implemented CSS correctly... > > > > > > > >But, really, CSS is still lacking in what seems to me some basic > > > >fundamentals in terms of being able to say "put this thing here, > > > >and that thing there" and you end up resorting to all kinds of > > > >non-intuitive code to get the look you want... > > > > > > Richard, you surprise me. > > > > > > CSS is like any other tool -- learn to use it and it will work. > > > > > > As far as any layout, if you can show an example it can > be done in css. > > > > > > As far as replacing tables, CSS doesn't -- it provides > tables even > > > more versatility. Tables have their place, but not in layout. > > > > > > Lastly, one man's gnarly disgusting hack, is another man's way > > > around a short coming of IE. How many times have you had to use > > > javascript to accomplish a task instead of using just > php? One could > > > call that a gnarly disgusting hack, but it's just a solution. As > > > this list proves, no language is without problems. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > tedd > > > -- > > > ------- > > > http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com > > > http://earthstones.com > > > > > -- > > .------------------------------------------------------------. > > | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | > > :------------------------------------------------------------: > > | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | a > > | powerful, scalable system for accessing system services > | such as > > | forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | > > | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | > > | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | > > `------------------------------------------------------------' > > > > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
