[snip] What would be the definitive PHP chat community to join for someone who likes to discuss how things *should* be done, or would be done *properly* as opposed to the ol' "How do I ..."-style discussions? I've never been satisfied with my code just working, I always want to know whether the way I have done something is the right way to do it. I realized that this is, quite often, a subjective debate and subject to many opinions. Sometimes, a good academic argument about how to do a particular thing properly leads to much more efficient or elite code. [/snip] I think that you can have those discussions on this list as long as the subject is clear. There are many advanced PHP programmers on this list and the list is often frequented by popular PHP icons such as Rasmus Lerdorf (sp?), Chris Shiflett and others. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php