Jochem, Jochem Maas wrote: > teaching noobs to output html while (oun intended) looping thru a > result set is counter-productive. discuss. I disagree, however, I do believe attention should be drawn to reasons why doing so might be considered bad practice. Even the longest journeys start with small steps, and asking someone new to PHP to separate various tiers might put them off. David -- David Grant http://www.grant.org.uk/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php