I have been a coldfusion developer for now 10 years almost, and can code anything you want in a very short time. Have been learning PHP for now 6 months and I am sorry to say that I don't like PHP over coldfusion. Now the problem is that with any language that you choose to develop in, it all boils down to maintenance costs. Sure PHP might be free, but lets look at the realistic world of development. Coldfusion allows very RAD and is very code reuse friendly and is not dead in the water, and keeps getting stronger and stronger. With coldfusion you have the ability to leverage of java more than you care to think, and even a simple command like String = WhatThe.Size(); Will work, and the method size is not a part of coldfusion but a part of java, and makes the code just as easy to use than ever before. With the ability of tags we have created a framework in coldfusion that allows us to create a master / detail page in around 2 minutes, we can't do this in php without spending a minimum of 4 hours to do the same job. Now the thing is no matter were you go you will get that this is better than that, and in this case I do like php, but I enjoy and can get things done quicker in coldfusion. I am only here because I have to maintain some php code. But lets look at the bigger picture for a minute, php might be free but look at the amount of time it would take to develop and application, then look at coldfusion and it might cost but its quicker to develop with the right person and could end up saving you time and money in the future. Now I have read that people have talked about server loads, if the coldfusion application is installed correctly in the first place then it would not be an issue that's why there is an enterprise version. We develop intranet applications that deliver sales invoicing, and financial report writing with pdf invoices / picking slips and this is now included in coldfusion although we use it with CR9/10, but to have this feature in a php application its too much of a headache to program (time wise). Most powers to be will be looking at the overall cost, development cost and maintenance cost and this can be very expensive, if you don't do your homework first, and with blue dragon you don't need to spend a cent to develop in coldfusion. Regards Andrew Scott Analyst Programmer CMS Transport Systems Level 2/33 Bank Street South Melbourne, Victoria, 3205 Phone: 03 9699 7988 - Fax: 03 9699 7976 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php