Hello Matt, Thursday, June 9, 2005, 3:34:30 PM, you wrote: M> Yeah I do understand this. That is primarily what I was trying to M> find a workaround for. It doesn't seem like CSS will save me on M> this one. I can't seem to get table borders to look identical in M> ff/ie using CSS they render differently. My Diagrams mostly rely on M> bg colors, so I'm really up a creek right now - unless I convert M> the bg images to foreground image which would really suck...but M> could be done. There are some things (this one being an example) that you just can't control from the server side. Another one is forcing a page to print as landscape. I have long since given up on that one for sign-in rosters. I just put a big note next to the link to make sure to print it in landscape. As for IE / FF borders, that one drives me nuts too. I like to use outset and inset borders for a 3-D look, but in IE it's all stairstepped when I do nested borders. I'm sorry I don't have an answer for you other than I don't think you're going to achieve what you want with CSS. -- Leif (TB lists moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 3.5.26 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php