Hello,
on 05/27/2005 06:46 PM Ryan A said the following:
----- I have requested the free test several times and it was very useful because it brought my attention to aspects that I was not considering, some related to PHP in specific and other related to Internet in general. ----- fair enough, you could have given him the link the the page directly _without_ your affiliate add on code, but since you did tack your aff code on, I think you should have mentioned it
That would be irrelevant because nothing changes for the anybody that follows the link with or without the aff code. The service is still free and the service is the same.
as you get 35% (minimum, for upto a year) if he signs up...not that anybodys bothered if you make money
That is false. If he signs up and tries the free penetration test service that he asked and I suggested, I do not gain anything. Stop deceiving people!
------ If I ever gain anything with the referral, he would not be paying more for whatever services he would order. ------ Never said he would be paying extra, but the point is you would be making money off him (not a bad thing again) without his knowledge (bad thing)...if he finds the link really useful I think to show his appreciation he would _make sure_ your affiliate link is tacked there......I would.
Stop distorting the facts. You are implying that I acting with malice by stating that I will make money by hiding facts when a) Andy never asked explicitly for a service that the referer would not gain anything b) I am not hiding anything as the affiliate id is quite visible in the URL c) I never denied that the URL contains my affiliate id.
If I am acting with malice as you suggest just because I did not mention that the URL contained my affiliate id, what would you say about the PHP group that lists a pile of books in Amazon linked with their affiliate id but they do not mention that fact anywhere in their pages?
http://www.php.net/books.php
Maybe I am Darth Vader and the PHP Group is the whole dark side of the force. Get real, you are being ridiculous!
Another example, I am an affilate of interland, if someone asks about "dedicated hosting" I could send them there they would join, not pay a cent extra, but i get a commision *without their knowledge* (10% recurring)... am I helping them or myself?
Yeah, right, you are fighting the dark side of the force to be the good guy that just lives from the air that you breath and nobody else should be allowed to gain anything from referrals unless you warn users that you refer that you are keeping a commission, despite the price is always the same!?!
----- So, I do not see your point in bugging me for this. If you feel that I am not helping Andy, I would appreciate that you tell me that directly!' ----- Well, all i can say is, if my little email bugged you, you either get bugged very easily or you know I'm right!
Look, you challenged my credibility by distorting the facts. Of course that bugs me because for 8 years I have been participating in PHP mailing lists helping people leading to solutions to the problems that they pose, and your attitude is misleading people into believing that I am not helping them.
You have caused such confusion that Andy, the original poster, have written me privately telling that he thought that the link that I suggested pointed to a site of mine where I was selling security auditing services, when in fact the only person that doing that in this thread was Chris Shiflet.
I just recommended a service that I tried, and so I have first hand experience to comment about, unlike you that not only just caused confusion but also did not offer any solution to the problem posed by Andy. Basically you are not helping because all you did is to bug somebody that tried to help.
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Regards, Manuel Lemos
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