Jamie Alessio wrote: > BUT, also from documentation on http://us2.php.net/include/ it looks > like your example might not hold any water either. "Be warned that parse > error in required file doesn't cause processing halting." Based on that > it appears that introducing the parse error in foo2.php doesn't prove > that the file wasn't included. So, how do we actually prove this one way > or the other? I guess we could just like at the underlying C code. Any > takers? I think the warning you quote is, in fact, trying to say this: "Be warned that a parse error in an included/required fill will not halt processing until that file is included/required." In other words, just because your script loads once with no parse errors, doesn't mean it always will if external conditions change which files get included/required within that script. My thesis is that the quote implies the answer to the original question. After doing this for most of a decade, I'm gonna tell you: The include/require files do *NOT* get loaded until PHP encounters the line that includes/requires them! Here's a dog-simple test. Take a *BIG* text file. I mean *BIG*. Like, War & Peace big. No, no, like, Dictionary Of English *BIG*. The biggest text file you can find. Now do something like this: #!/usr/local/bin/php -q <?php if (isset($argv[1])){ require 'monster_text_file.txt'; } echo "Hi\n"; ?> Now run that script like: ./foo.php 1 > /dev/null ./foo.php > /dev/null If you really think PHP can *read* the file that fast, I want to know your hard drive make&model. :-) -- Like Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php