I promised myself that I wouldn't get in the middle of any flame wars but I just had to say something about my experience. The day I stopped looking for free handouts and became self-sufficient in my ability to find the answers myself was the day someone told me to RTFM a few years ago. It was a friend of mine and it was a little hurtful. But he was right! The answer was right in the man page. Then I felt stupid for asking. Since then my skills at troubleshooting went through the roof. You can literally train yourself to be a walking encyclopedia not by knowing the answer but by knowing how to find the answer without anyones help. Sometimes it takes a mean push to get someone on the right track. You might not like it but you can't deny the results it can bring. -- --Matthew Sims --<http://killermookie.org> > some people will never get it. > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php