[snip] no sympathy, reality. So, if someone asks how to past the max_upload size limit will you send them to google or maybe point them to your web site how-to? hmmm..... be kind, is free, and people will respect you more. [/snip] Nope, because the question requires more than a "yes" or "no" answer. I would most likely say something like... RTFM... http://us2.php.net/manual/en/features.file-upload.php I am not on this list to earn respect. I am here to learn and where possible, teach. And if you want people to be more "politically correct" so "no one gets insulted" or "gets their feelings hurt" you have come to the wrong place. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php