[snip] It's sad to see how the quality of the help you can get in this list has dropped of late. It's not because of the people who post off topic messages or don't bother to read the FAQ or RTFM before posting. It's because of the people who immidiately spring to the defence of the off topic posters. I see that many people who used to make valuable contributions in this list an year ago no longer make any posting. No doubt they are fed up. Others make fewer contributions than they used to. The way things are going pretty soon it will be a case of blind leading the blind. To mis-quote John Nichel "Flame away responses will be deleted" [/snip] I don't think that the list is dying, I just think that there are several here who are new and unfamiliar with newsgroup/list style posting. Who was off topic? And who sprung to their defense? I'll whip them senseless with a USB cable. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php