Hi, Have you ever written a project and then moved to the next noticing that you are doing some of the same things from last project (connecting to a database, reading a file, writing to a file, etc...)? Have either of you ever written a for loop? Of course, you have. Have you ever written the for loop and then noticed (after you uploaded the script to the server) that you wrote the loop with syntax errors? If so, why not use an ArrayIterator? If not, then you are a master in the PHP realm. I would have to assume that even the most experienced php developer has done this once or twice in there life. It all amounts to a waste of precious programming time. When this occurs. Especially when TIME = MONEY. What if you were to build an application around the MySQL database. You have just finished the project and you are taking it to your boss. You get there and then your boss says, "you know what I would rather use Oracle as our database". With this situation you have, potentially, wasted many hours writing the MySQL version. What are you going to do now, say something like, "Sorry boss, my application I designed is not flexible enough for me to switch db's at this time.", as your promotion for completing the project goes down the drain. There are large arguments about both, I grew up on OO so that is how I program and that is what I know. Procedural does not even make sense to me. Using low-level functions and process over and over again, when the functions and process can be written once and used on many projects over and over again. Also, do you ever go back and maintain projects that you have worked on a year later. If you used objects you would know exactly what you are walking into, I doubt you can say that with a procedural state of mind. Resources to learn more: www.phppatterns.com wact.sf.net http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=147 www.martinfowler.com There are more resources: -> google is your friend. I would put Pear, but personally I think that it started out to be a good idea and has turned into a disaster, IMO. (Sorry to any Pear lovers, I still think Pear is better than procedural). I don't care if you program in procedural or oo, but I would like you to educate yourself in the pluses and minuses of both. If you have not learned oo and know nothing about it, then learn it might surprise you. I think the main problem is that PHP is still young in the OO world, it grew up on procedural. With this in mind there is no OO Standard that people follow, like in Java, or .NET. Pear is trying to address this issue, but if you are not a Pear believer then you use some other Standard, and so the cycle of NO STANDARD revolves. And after saying all that, I will say that there are times on very small projects that procedural does make more sense. Regards, Justin Palmer __________________________ KISS (Keep It Simple, SEARCH)! Google::getUri( http://www.google.com ); Archives::getUri( http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general ); -----Original Message----- From: Mike [mailto:php@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 11:08 AM To: 'PHP General' Subject: RE: Multiple Inheritance Richard, Thank you for that. I've been writing PHP apps for a while now but would not concider myself an "expert". I just enjoy doing it and I know a fair bit about what I'm doing. One thing I never quite got into (with PHP) is OO. Why - because nothing I ever did really seemed to make sense as OO. I could easily write a function that'd get called one or a few times and that was about it. There didn't seem to be a need for objects to be used and re-used and my scripts shouldn't ever run long enough for me to take advantage of OO's abilities. I was worried that I "didn't get it" (and I still might not... But that's another issue) but maybe I'm not too far off the mark. It's just useful to see other people's opinions on this topic. Maybe I'll be burned at the stake along with you... ;) -M > > What are some of the things you guys do to get around the fact that > > classes in php4 can't do multiple inheritance? > > What I do is not use classes. > > At all. > [snip] > I will probably be reviled as a heretic, but there it is. > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
