Thanks for the tips y'all I think I am opting for a new printer. I realize that several of you outsource your printing but I think I am in the grips of traditional photography and as I made my own prints in a darkroom I "feel" the need to make my own prints when and for what purpose as needed. So, if you have a tip I'd appreciate it. What I have now is an Epson SC P600 which I have used for about three years or so. It has served me well. Since I like it I have thought about repair or buy a refurbished one. About $400 I think without ink ... which is not cheap! cheers, Andy ________________________________________