Just to specify what we are talking about: I used the term ‘photoshopped’ with ‘digitally enhanced or altered’ and #2 to mean that if you start with crap - digital enhancement won’t matter much. Traditional photojournalism and its ethics appear to be declining quickly as we speak, but there are others on this list better qualified to take a guess at the percentage of the market, unaltered pictures (= still allowed to be adjusted for exposure, sharpness and cropped etc.) account for these days. Klaus On Mar 11, 2014, at 3:29 AM, David Dyer-Bennet <dd-b@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 2014-03-10 23:26, klausknuthmail@xxxxxxxxx wrote: >> You singled out a quite specialized field of photography where Photoshop fixes don’t matter or - as Randy put it - “they get you fired”. So what is the relevance to the overall picture? > > Photojournalism as a whole is a BIG field; if the statement doesn't > apply to that entire field, then it doesn't appply to "digital > photographers by and large". > >> The two statements still stand tall: >> >> 1. Almost everything we are looking today (= still photography) has been Photoshopped. > > For very small values of "everything". Advertising photos tend to have > been. > > Olympic photographers for example were required to turn in their take > within 14 minutes of the end of the event; they certainly weren't > spending much time on post-processing! > > And, as has been said, getting caught at it gets you fired in > photojournalism. A few cases make the news, but that's perhaps partly > because they're *rare*. > >> 2. S&%$ in - S&%$ out (never mind #1). > > Old computer slogan, and not requiring euphemisms -- GIGO, "Garbage in, > garbage out". > > Of course, the definition of garbage or the identification of some set > of images as garbage is somewhat subjective. > > > -- > David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@xxxxxxxx; http://dd-b.net/ > Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ > Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ > Dragaera: http://dragaera.info Nikon DSLR photo list: > http://d4scussion.com > >