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I don't know Mark Stasiuk.

I think it would depend on the specific humidity rather than the relative humidity and temperature, but knowing two of them the third can be calculated, if you recall your thermodynamics.  However, I think the moisture in the air would be operative in the infrared, not the blue end of the spectrum.  and if it's humid enough to affect the light beam, would the distant scene appear as crisp as it is?

I don't see why you think I should ignore the technical aspects of the production of the art and just swoon at its result.  I think I can do both.  I don't have to see the crane or the brushed out wires to know that they had to be there.  I know enough physics to be sure of that.  And that, I think, makes my point.  

That is not the case with the light beam.  Seeing light beams is not our common experience.  We can't know if it was brushed in or not.  But, of course, it doesn't matter how it got there.  If it suits the artist's purpose, he could have painted it in, or did it with photo shop.  I actually like the result and would like to know if its a true physical phenomenon or not.  At least he didn't paint in a laser beam as is often done.

If it is a result of photons being scattered from the flashlight beam over the extended period of the exposure, I think that that would be fascinating.

Roger

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On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:04 PM, "Randy Little" <randyslittle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Roger I don't know why it matters how they got there.   but you would also have to know the relative humidity and temp no?     Either way since this is an artist endeavor and not a technical one by the artist I personally don't feel it matters how they got there.   It would be for me like asking where the wires when in these image by my RIT classmates father.  


Do you question where the wires are and how they are gone, or do you just accept that you either like or dislike the work.  Do you like the light less if he added it?   Do you like the light more if he added it?   Does it matter as long as it fulfills its purpose in the composition?   


Roger do you know a Geo Physicist Mark Stasiuk?  





On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Jan Faul <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

So who is going to call him up?

On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:25 PM, Randy Little wrote:

Roger what I posed is what the list was started as.   That was my only point.   I didn't write that THAT LIST CREATORS DID.   Russ Kraus and Andrew Davidhazy.  

I'm not bashing what you said at all.  Which is why I asked how you felt about the any possible addition and if you felt that effected the image.    I also then stated that I believe those lights are not added.  I don't know I wasn't there.  




On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Eichhorn, Roger <eichhorn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I missed the "technical not the purpose of the list" in my reply.  The founder of the list is renowned for his contributions to the "technical" aspects of photography and has often sent us searching for his contributions.  I disagree with your assertion, but perhaps the list has morphed in such a way to exclude it.

roger

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On Jan 14, 2014, at 7:05 PM, "Eichhorn, Roger" <eichhorn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I guess I'm an interested "other" and should just shut up and let you artists trash each other as you do so ably.  

roger

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On Jan 14, 2014, at 6:49 PM, "Randy Little" <randyslittle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I would have to say Roger that I don't believe them to be added.  

Andrew technique doesn't' discount technical but its not the purpose of the list.  


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On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Jan Faul <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ahem. This began with an accusation of a detail being faked. how is that educational?


On Jan 14, 2014, at 7:34 PM, asharpe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Because, Jan, we are perhaps "interested* in how the picture was created,
from a technical perspective, including your favorite minutiae. If this
*photography* group was simply an Art Appreciation group, I could
understand your lament, but actually, it is a group of *technical*
photography folks, who are indeed interested in a lot more than the
feeling and mood of a photograph. Certainly, from an art perspective,
those are very interesting, and warrant a lot of attention and discussion.
But to claim that discussions of small details are not germane to this
photography group is rather missing the entire point of this email list.


Andrew



On Tue, January 14, 2014 4:17 pm, Jan Faul wrote:


Just offhand, I would say he is equipped with a remote shutter release,
and also he’s done this more than a few times and is obviously no rank
amateur. He’s got a style, he knows his equipment, and he’s looking for
shots of a certain style.

I don’t understand why you guys fail to see the big picture and can only
complain about the itty bitty points an minutiae. Is it jealousy or what?



On Jan 14, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Eichhorn, Roger wrote:


Haunting photos, but doesn't the flashlight beam in some of them have
to be faked?   The air seems clear and how much blue will be in a
flashlight to scatter in the air unless it's an LED or Hg lamp.  And he
sat perfectly still while the star trail was being exposed?

r.

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On Jan 14, 2014, at 5:40 PM, "Jan Faul" <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



http://news.yahoo.com/photos/photographer-puts-everyday-selfies-to-sh
ame-1389719641-slideshow/



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The Artist Formerly Known as Prints
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Stills That Move: http://www.artfaul.com
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