John why don't you open any news paper on earth a read a bunch of reviews. If we reviewed like that people would cry and that's not even as bad as what I hear from directors on set and in post pretty much all day. Youmans idea of one comment defies logic at a grand scale. A discussion and discourse require point of view and point and counter point. My pair means I don't kowtow to people who's biggest success is a show at the coffee shop.
On Jan 5, 2014 1:14 PM, "John Palcewski" <palcewski@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Here's a really, really, RADICAL suggestion for Randy Little, and most especially Jan Faul. Why don't you two grow a pair and simply acknowledge the legitimacy of the complaints issued today without amendments, rationalizations, explanations, evasions. Apologize with sincerity. You'll be amazed at what that'll get you.On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM, John Palcewski <palcewski@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jan & Randy: Denial ain't a river in Egypt.On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 12:59 PM, RsLittle <randyslittle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Lol Trevor you haven't ever worked in the commercial art world have you. You come from a politically motivated need to be accepted world. We hear stuff like this everyday. What Jan says is more tame then most critiques in any class I have taught or had in school.From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.-------- Original message --------From: Jan FaulDate:01/05/2014 11:36 AM (GMT-05:00)To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - StudentsSubject: Re: Differences fo opinion
I never offer opinions when I’m drunk. I’m just a guy and any idea that I am better than the rest of humanity, is untrue.On Jan 5, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Trevor Cunningham wrote:You see, that's just it. If you belittled people in a live, in-person group of a similar nature, you'd have been sent packing long ago or someone would have cleaned your clock (for which you have a lineup on this list). That anyone finds online discussion an opportunity to be flip with others' emotions is unfortunate, and I've certainly been guilty of this myself. But, for it to monopolize your persona, as you say, such that you need to declare that you're not really like this in person, is a significant measure of disrespect to anyone looking to this forum as a community for learning. As an educator and technology integration specialist, I believe that learning is the cornerstone of any social network. Having an alternative, or enlightened point of view is of great benefit. However, to be dismissive of, or to attack, perspective is terribly counterproductive.
I've met one member of this forum in person. He was a class act in person, and is a class act online as well. Your wealth of knowledge, experience, and work is of tremendous value to this community. Your panoramic work is of great interest to me. Unfortunately, your barbed, holier-than-thou veneer makes such a fountain less than potable.
Do you even value online communication? If not, why engage?
On 1/5/14 6:46 PM, Jan Faul wrote:Anybody on this list who has not actually met me, does not know me. My email persona is not me.
Art FaulThe Artist Formerly Known as Prints------Art for Cars: art4carz.comStills That Move: http://www.artfaul.comGreens: http://www.inkjetprince.comCamera Works - The Washington Post.
