Hey Herschel Nothing is like they teach in art school! GRIN! I save my pent-up aspersions and insults for yelling at the TV. I've said this here before. Most of my friends and acquaintances are artists. They are no different (not crazy or tormented either)than other professionals. Most do not make a living doing art nor expect to be funded by the government - Bill Gates - YES!. Most will find some way to show their work where they are appreciated. Most educate themselves about art and do not say things like "My kid could have done that." Too bad for most everybody else in the U.S. now who will be denied a real education that includes the arts. AZ LOOKAROUND - Since 1978 http://www.panoramacamera.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [SPAM] Re: museum collections? (now FOB) > From: Herschel Mair <herschel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: Thu, January 27, 2011 1:14 am > To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students > <photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > how about: > 1. Exciting/Boring or Compelling/Uninteresting question > > 2. Derogatory comments about it including insults and aspersions with > references to art and isms > > > This saves a lot of time skirting the periphery... > > So please don't hang about for the last round... let's get right to it > in step 2 no holds barred and save all the petty bickering in 3 and 4. > > (Email me off the list if you disagree... even though that would be like > an admission of guilt) > > Also read Mark Stevens and Annalyn Swan's biography of De Kooning... if > you want to know how art works... really... not what they teach you in > art school. > herschel > > > On 1/26/11 10:50 PM, YGelmanPhoto wrote: > > The order of progression seems to be, in this case, the following: > > > > 1. Interesting comment or question > > > > 2. Interesting followup with interesting side comments > > > > 3. Detour to follow the side comments with beginnings of arguments > > > > 4. Full blown analyses with intricate fine points to back up arguments > > > > 5. Insults and aspersions > > > > > > For the PhotoForum, why can't we agree to stay with 1 and 2 above, and > > continue privately starting with 3? Otherwise, any subject at all > > could be the start of stuffed inboxes for the whole group. . . which > > contradicts the reason for having the group in the first place. > > > > -yoram > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Trevor Cunningham wrote: > > > >> On 1/27/11 5:35 AM, Karl Shah-Jenner wrote: > >>> I must say that's one amazing piece of creative bookwork, a real > >>> stretch to suggest all the tax dollars coming in from anyone who > >>> considers themselves an artist as being a return on the dollars > >>> injected into the industry! > >>> > >>> I'm sure there MUST be more valid or at least convincing ways to > >>> measure and state the contribution of the arts. that seems entirely > >>> whacked to me! > >> Karl, > >> > >> Indeed, there is no control for these stats. Although, it does make > >> the statement that the return is to local, state, and federal bodies > >> of govt from related programs. > >>> There's sound arguments both for and against funding the arts.. > >>> chronic wastage is indefensible - and sadly demonstrable in many > >>> cases (like the link I provided in my last post, from a largely > >>> socialist society). I'm not however too fussed how much measurable > >>> success in an economic sense our Australian tax dollars were spent > >>> in funding the arts, however I very much feel it WOULD be nice if > >>> those involved in the distribution of funding were a little less > >>> political themselves!! > >> I couldn't agree with the argument more. As much as I don't want to > >> see the proverbial baby (cultural potential) thrown out with the > >> bathwater (budget), it is the other side of the coin to be > >> politically selective. So, before I add another metaphor (I'm not > >> writing a grant here), let me just say I would like to see such > >> decisions made on the principle of supporting and promoting free > >> expression, as a it has been written as a human right by Liberal > >> ideology, yet seldom practiced since it was flown as a flag of The > >> Enlightenment. > >> > >> > >> Sorry, Yoram. I overestimated your use of the delete button. > >> > > > >
