Andy, I wonder how many Mortensen books I thumbed over at the book stalls in my days living in L.A.? These "six degrees of separation" coincidences could make one crazy - or a conspiracy nut! Compare this portrait with your example: http://www.thescreamonline.com/photo/photo06-01/mortensen/americangirl.html She could be same model - not MM. No mention of MM in anything I was able to find on Mortensen. BTW MM's dad's name really was spelled with an E , not with an O. MM's birth certificate was found in his possessions. AZ LOOKAROUND - Since 1978 Build a 120/35mm Lookaround! The Lookaround E-Book FREE COPY http://www.panoramacamera.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [SPAM] Re: photo id please! > From: ADavidhazy <andpph@xxxxxxx> > Date: Thu, November 19, 2009 4:37 pm > To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students > <photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > AZ, > GREAT! that you found interesting info along the journey of discovery > about Mortensen. Yup ... his books ... especially one by title of > Monsters and Madonnas is highly prized (and priced!) by connoisseurs. > I only have a couple of the lesser desirable ones!! Once I was > instrumental in bringing a collection (owned by the Photo Society of > America) to the school. I'd be afraid to do what I did then - no > insurance! > He was very fortunate to have many willing models it seems - and he > made the best of it apparently. > As you say he might have been way ahead of this time - since he did > a lot of what these days might be called "manipulation" of the prints > or negatives. > I myself very much liked his lighting "technique" which he details in > detail in one of his books: Pictorial Lighting. > That is Marilyn Monroe??? really?? > click! > andy > lookaround360@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > > Andy, > > > > Your photo ID challenge has led me to lots of interesting new things. > > Mortensen was way ahead of his time - 21st Century, Beyond Cool, > > Mega-Zombie Kitsch - and really trashed by the photo art establishment. > > Someone needs to write a film about his life. His books are worth a lot > > now. > > > > Marilyn Monroe was born Norma Jeane Mortenson (1926)! That would make > > her 25 in '51 - the time of the photo. > > > > AZ > > LOOKAROUND - Since 1978 > > Build a 120/35mm Lookaround! > > The Lookaround E-Book > > FREE COPY > > http://www.panoramacamera.us > > > > > >>-------- Original Message -------- > >>Subject: [SPAM] Re: photo id please! > >>From: ADavidhazy <andpph@xxxxxxx> > >>Date: Thu, November 19, 2009 1:52 pm > >>To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students > >><photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>The date is '48 > >>Photo title is Betty > >>andy > >>Trevor Cunningham wrote: > >> > >>>Does the date on the image say '41 or '51? > >> > >>http://people.rit.edu/andpph/a-pix/2009-wmbetty-photo-1.jpg > > > >