Roy, Geezeee Louise! I'm no Libertarian, but what part of the People's Republic of the U.S. do you live in? Besides the technology (and kids) is way out ahead of your thinking. Virtually all personal electronic devices allow access to the net. I think the rules RE copyright are philosophically and practically unsound now. A deep re-think is required. The masses have already voted and the idea is not workable any longer. The only idea (probably bad) I have to save something for those who need to protect their work is to go back to the opt-in system. Looked at it another way, we photographers (in U.S.) have the right to photograph anything in public view. There are restrictions on what images can be sold for commercial uses. Stuff on the Internet is public in much the same way. AZ LOOKAROUND - Since 1978 Build a 120/35mm Lookaround! The Lookaround E-Book 5ed. http://www.panoramacamera.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: copyright protection and the extreme > From: PhotoRoy6@xxxxxxx > Date: Tue, August 18, 2009 11:19 am > To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students > <photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > I support the idea that children should not be allowed to used the Internet > until they are 18 just like you can't drink beer legally (in the US) until > you are 18. It would give them something to look forward to. Also the > state I live in has graduated licenses for driving a road vehicle. > Perhaps the Internet could be the same way. You get a learners permit at 16 > and the govt. keeps track of all the sites a learner goes to. At least > this would stimulate talented children's interest in math, logic and creating > software to hack into the system. The system would be enforced by having a > bar code on one's license or identity cards (my state will issue identity > cards to people who don't drive so they can prove they exist). > > Anyhow whatever they do will not prevent copyright infringement. Travel > pictures from allover the world show up on commercial web sites. With the > move away from paper based publishing to Internet and electronic displays plus > advances in manipulation copyright will become impossible to enforce in > most situations. > > Roy > > > > In a message dated 8/16/2009 9:29:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > shahjen@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > "not only (does) the blacklist targets a wider range of material than > child > abuse .. the lines between art, obscenity and political speech are not as > bright and clear as politicians would have us imagine."