I agree with Lea, What counts are results. It took a bit of philosophical introspection for me to conclude that. I have friends gone digital that are making beautiful prints. There is plenty of challenge to doing that even with PS plug-ins. I'm even intrigued by the plug-ins that emulate traditional photographic techniques. The way I see it is that anything goes as long as it "informs" the picture. It can be ligitimate to reference a technique in order to achieve whatever effect we believe it signifies. Making a print using the tin-type or Holga plug-in may seem very tacky and unsophisticated to some - something like "genuine wood-grain vinyl" Even more of a stretch is the Polaroid borders - haven't reached that depth of depravity yet. Anyhow, I keep an open mind. AZ Build a 120/35mm Lookaround! The Lookaround Book. Now an E-book. http://www.panoramacamera.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [SPAM] Re: Ok so everyone seems to want lively debate (not > flame wars) > From: Lea Murphy <lea@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: Sat, October 11, 2008 6:51 pm > To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students > <photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > On Oct 10, 2008, at 11:51 PM, Mark Blackwell wrote: > > So it brings us back to how much of a great photo is tool, and how > > much is between the ears of the person running it? > I believe a true artist can make beautiful, meaningful images given > the most rudimentary of tools. Witness some of the fabulous work being > done with homemade pinhole cameras, Dianas and Holgas. Even some cell > phones are the means with which some pretty spectacular images have > been created. And remember the guy who, years ago, did an entire > portrait series using a flat-bed scanner mounted on a stand...this was > back when digital cameras were cost prohibitive. Talk about a work- > around! > A great photo is, I believe, made by someone who knows how to make the > tools work. > A great photo has, as part of its makeup, great light, great > composition, interesting or unique subject matter, a valid message. > These things come together as the result of the photographer knowing > what he/she is doing and manipulating the tools to achieve the desired > results. > What's between the ears makes all the difference in the world because > with that you can make almost any tool sing. > Lea > (PS. I put off reading anyone else's response before posting this. I'm > excited to read what others had to say.) > babies. they're what i do. > www.leamurphy.com