I have one point to add on this discussion, and it is more philosophical than photographic, but nevertheless applies: When you know the tech of something and can apply it, you cannot be the adverse effect of it. A know a mechanic who is very 'cause' over his automobiles - when his car breaks he fixes it; he is an excellent driver - never gets in accidents and even at one time used to race them. How this datum applies to me at this stage of my photographic learning, is that if I knew everything I wouldn't have that sick feeling having just spent 60 bucks in developing only to find none of them are keepers... Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of karl shah-jenner Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:33 AM To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students Subject: Re: A more outrageous question ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Blackwell" > To him it was easy. To us it likely would be extremely difficult. he spent a lot of time learning the tech stuff so that when it came time to draw on it, it was innate > I am on a black and white list that all the talk is about this different developer, and this exposure and that filter. It has its place, but in the last year I don't think I have seen many if any thread on composition or lighting. > > Others talk all the new digital stuff, and again it has its place. This new body, that new software and all the new features it happens to provide. horses for courses - those are the lists where they're there to discuss such things, as well you'd expect :) Here we talk philosophy most of the time. there hasn't been a good dev discussion in an age! k