>>And if you've already read the post from its >>beginning what difference does >>it make if any thing is trimmed or not? >Sorry, that does not deserve an answer. Jim You are right: if someone can make a statement like that then you really are on to a losing battle. Perhaps we should learn from this "logic" (and I mean that in the loosest sense of the word) into everyday life. - Whenever you are in a conversation you should "speak over" everyone else - That when you reply you should accept the new convention and, after you've given your answer, repeat everything that has gone before in the conversation in reverse order. - No more the timely utterance of "I agree" in the right place with a smile - Communication would be so much clearer Bob PS: better still, let's use HTML ...