Chris. For goodness sake old fellow, this is supposed to be a photography and imaging list. Your last post yet again contained not a single mention of photography. It's getting a bit tedious. Please try to stay at least marginally on topic: there are plenty of newsgroups out there for discussing religion, psychotherapy and even knitting-needle surgery. Look at the world. Take some photos. Put them on your web site ... anything but these off-topic monologues ... Bob