Steve - thanks for your comment on my comment...! -----Original Message----- (shortened) In so much as they are replicas of hand crafted pieces, the flaws seem to show them as objects and not simply images. This is not meant to be a glib statement, but promotes a long discussion. My thesis continues as within this study, there is value in the lack of clarity to represent form differently than what can be shown as with the naked eye. Photography that can call our attention to specific objects, and points of view, angles and prospectives; this medium can be highlighted for a different perspective upon the form as well. For, when seeing all these pictures together, it will be possible without much effort to see the same pepper in different light . . . some light that actually burns out some of the shape. And, it was Brett Weston who insisted no every photograph is all that different than a painting. More on THAT later, too. Thanks Steve Shapiro More to come -------------------------- One of the things I like about this forum are the comments people make about their own work, unlike those in so many others. I take on board your statements. I also believe that photographs can never be precise or accurate in their definition of a subject. Nor should they necessarily try. For example, how can a photograph reproduce the observation of a colour-blind photographer for the benefit of the fully sighted viewer - or vice-versa? Both see things and relations in ways the other doesn't. Neither is wrong and neither is right - both simply are. Colour blindness for the majority affected, like myself, does not mean my world is colourless, but that there are fewer colours and these are difficult to define. I seem to have got used to the questions "What colours do you see?" or "What colour is this then?" and "How can you take colour photographs?" (With a camera and colour film, maybe?) Interestingly, all texts on colour photography seem to forget that a very large number of keen photographers (~8%) are colour blind! Maybe there's a book in there for someone... Looking forward to more Shapiro observations!! Howard