Michel, The reason people, including photographers, mostly talk shop and discuss technical ephemera about their interests is that they don't know the language of art. The discourse can't go beyond formal issues associated with changes in the gear or technique - color, sharpness, cropping, etc. Philosophic and aesthetic subjects get just as dull as technoid stuff, however. People seem to enjoy talking about historical and biographical subjects when they come up. AZ Build a Lookaround! The Lookaround Book, 4th ed. Now an E-book. http://www.panoramacamera.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: I thought this was interesting > From: Michel Dusariez <dusariez@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: Wed, May 25, 2005 6:46 am > To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students > <photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Hi all, > > About the hereunder massage signed Bob, I think I was not well understand. > > I speak about " author writers, who debate of pencils, or pens and inks". > > And not of collectors of pencils, or pens and inks who debate of > pencils, or pens and inks. > > Photograhers have to speak of photography, and a very limited time > about technic, unfortunately it seem to be he exact contrary. > > Regards. > > Michel DUSARIEZ > > > > > Most photographers looks like writers who meets around a table to > > > debate of the quality of different kind of pencils, or pens and inks.>>> > > > > > >Shows what you know. (smiley) > > > > > >Fact is, pen collectors (and writers) do indeed debate pencils, inks, and > >pens. Some of these debates often turn nasty. However, they are often useful > >debates. Quality often makes the difference between a good pen or a great > >pen; the occasional user. I love a Parker '51 for daily use and I have my > >opinions about that pen and other pens. Collectors often have opinions just > >as strong as camera people have. > > > > > >We debate pen nibs and which are best. Italic, music, and fine nibs, for > >example. The poor quality of some imported nibs made by mass production. We > >talk of and argue about nib adjustment. We argue pen brands, of which there > >are many. There are more brands and models of currently manufactured > >fountain pens than cameras or film types. We argue about modern vs. vintage. > > > > > >We will debate brands of inks and colors; old Schaffer blue Vs. other brands > >of blue. Or why a particular brand of ink sucks. Then we detour and discuss > >dye chemistry and what the hell difference does the metal used to make the > >tip really make. > > > > > >We debate paper types, and we debate why/if casein is better than cellulose > >nitrate and if either of these materials is better or worse than cellulose > >acetate. For the record, celluloid and casein are best. > > > > > >We debate the poor quality of most pens made by amateur pen turners; those > >folks sub-debate wood species and which wood is best for making fountain > >pens. Some folks further debate pen kits and lathes. > > > > > >I think every interest generates debates that some of us would find silly. > >For example, stamp collectors argue about hinge Vs. no hinge. I have these > >same types of debates about mandolin and banjo picks. Celluloid Vs. Tortoise > >shell Vs. the various types of plastics used to make picks these days. On > >the bike lists, it is Harley Vs. anything Japanese; Vincent Vs. Norton. > > > > > >Bob > > > -- > http://www.pano360.org/ > http://www.underwater.pano360.org/ > Michel DUSARIEZ > 14, avenue Capitaine PIRET > B-1150 BRUXELLES > Portable 0486 25 39 55
