Alan writes: <clipped> The artist is quite old and has seen a few things. : He's self taught, knows what he wants to do with the materials he uses : for his constructions and mixed-media painting and is still trying new : ideas. thanks Alan I met a restorative artist once who showed me a wall sized painting done by a painter who in his day was seen as an up and comer - the restorer was depressed as the creator of the expensive art piece had mixed his paint media with such abandon that some ten years after it was painted, the paint was cascading off in sheets. the owner was furious and the artist refused to accept any responsibility, but the crafting of the painting was apparently very poor. art without the skill seems somehow anachronistic. k - forget living in a 'tolerant' world, what about trying for a respectful world.