<<You speaking from personal experience Bob?>> Oh yes Jim ... <<<I suppose some people just stop learning,>>> How did you jump to that? <<<And that's because unless you keep strict written records of each shot (most people can't be bothered) film makes it tough to learn from. >>> That's what learing is about - or just having a good short term memory. The point is (expanded below) that thinking about exactly why you are doing a trial is part of the learning process (digital or film). With film, the difficulty of recording everything kind of focusses the mind to record only what is needed. <<<Whereas with digital what you didn't learn while shooting and reviewing you can learn half an hour later at home at the computer.>>> But sometimes there is too much information, and indeed, the same lazy gits that cant be bothered to write down shutter speed are likely as not never gonna get round to THINKING about thier experiments anyway. And when *thinking* about flash set-ups etc, even with your D10 you still need a pen and paper. Where were the flashes relative to the subject? (unless you only use the one on camera). What colour was the ceiling? If you used preflash / lock / recompose ... does your camera remeber the point in the frame where it was pointed when you took the reading? Sure: speeding up the time between trying things out and getting answers is hard to argue with in itself (it's hard to give it a positive spin). A 1-h mini lab beats a 7-day one anytime. The important thing is to THINK before you do the trials (digital or film) and THINK again when you have the answers. Push things through your head too fast though and the chances of not having any real long-term memory of whay you learned diminish ... for me anyway ;o) -- Jim Davis, Nature Photography: http://jimdavis.oberro.com/ Motorcycle Relay Kits: http://www.easternbeaver.com/ -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm