<<I liked that idea (not!) that in full manual the exposure was being altered automatically by the camera!>> Karl Giving the user full control is a dangerous thing: with control comes knowlege; with knowlege comes wisdom; with wisdom ... well, you don't make a good "consumer"!!!!! These days consumers want to feel empowered, the best way to give them that without full knowlege is to increase the complexity of systems to an extent that trancends understanding. Keep the explanations succinct and the algorithms hidden. The old "sunny 16" rule - even that is under threat. -- [set the shutter speed to the reciprocal of the film speed, -- set the aperture according to ... -- On a sunny day, with ISO 100 film, set your camera to approximately 1/100 -- f/16 Clear sky - bright sunshine -- f/11 Slightly overcast - Sun visible but soft around edges -- f/8 Overcast - Sun barely visible -- f/5.6 Heavily overcast - No shadows ] All it takes is a manufacturer to confuddle the "ISO" setting of the camera to account for orientation etc ... and knowlege is lost. Already some do this to "aperture" Bob -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm