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America's forefathers drew a distinction between liberty and license, there
being much debate on the subject at the time. It's "simple think" to assume that
those who prize liberty are unaware of, or have no appreciation of the
individual's responsibilities and obligations to society. Perhaps you are an
intellectual giant; however, If you assume that by name calling and/or
characterization, you are identifying yourself as one, you're wrong.
I am not a Borg!
Regards,
Bob...
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"No man?s life,
liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session."
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Mark Twain
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 09 May, 2004 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: bad law -- or is it??
Spoken like a true blue individualist. Strange though. It seems you've
contradicted yourself with your opening blast. If the expectation is that you
will respect other people's rights or follow public norms of behaviour then
you can't do anything you please. It is a simple truth that when you throw a
bunch of people together in a group (whether it's a boy scout troup, a
photography discussion forum, or a country) you have to give up some portion
of your individuality to gain the benefits that grow from that group
association. Which means that it still holds that the only time you can do and
say what you please is when you live alone, miles from anybody and have
absolutely nothing to do with societal function.
Well, it seems we're arguing metaphysics here rather than discussing
photography. I have no expectation that I will change the opinion of the
liberterians and rabid individualists in the crowd. Waste of time trying.
Personally, I take a collectivist view of things. If I'm on a city street I'm
there to do landscape work, not butt in on people unless I'm a news
photographer. People I concentrate on only by permission.
Bob
Blakely <Bob@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hogwash!
You may do anything you please on public property so long as you do
not
infringe on anyone else's rights (or public norms of behavior - no
peeing
on the bush in the public park), or on your own property or on
any
private property with permission of the owner. Being free means you
have to
allow others to be free (lest the things you like to do that
really harm no
one be banned also!)
As to photos, take them
anywhere you like of anyone you like where there is
no reasonable
expectation of privacy. Take them with anything you want. The
idea that a
law could be passed whose unintended consequence might be to
require me
to obtain the permission of all the folks in the background of a
photo I
took of my grandchildren is an abomination! Any law that would,
though
unintended, prevent me from photographing the aftermath of a
traffic
accident I get caught in, including the other driver who is
moving about
just fine before he sees an attorney to determine the extent
of his
"injuries" is dangerous. If someone is actually harmed, as opposed
to being
on a control trip, they can get an attorney to sue for civil
compensation.
That's where this stuff belongs if it has merit - civil
courts.
Regards,
Bob...
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Brian
Lunergan
Nepean, Ontario
Canada
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