I do not live out of fear for my future. My value is less on the dollar than the personal experience of the moment of the shutter. Frankly, the type of photography I have done (and still do) has had a quite an impact on me. As a direct result- I am motivated by projects other photographers turn down. Not only is there work, it is work I would pursue regardless. What is "full price" anyway? An organizations suggestions? The "going-rate" ? My price, his price, your price, our price. Emily, I am surprised..... coming from you, actually--- there is no connection between what you pay and the thing you bought! 28 more years - homeless, looking for candy bars, pushing a pig around in a shopping cart and sleeping with Art Hritis. I hope Polaroid will still be making film for all those SX-70's I will have in the cart. The 5x7 will be too heavy, and anything that requires focusing.....well forget it. Not only can a person work for "peanuts", they can eat them. There are as many different reasons to hear opportunity knocking- as there are opportunities. My two pennies/. Sorry for butting in on this thread. Its getting headed elsewhere, I'll just lurk around........... -Bobbie """At 2:15 PM -0400 9/6/03, BB wrote: >Perhaps for you Les. > >Retirement is not on everyone's 'to do' list. > >Each of us has our own definition of success. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So when you're 78 and you've got crippling arthritis or diabetes or a heart condition (or cataracts) and can no longer make a living taking photographs, where's your income going to come from? Love? Sooner or later a professional photographer has to think about the future and how to pay for it. Maybe it's children, maybe it's actually buying a house, maybe it's getting frail, but one can't work for peanuts for ever and have anything for life beyond the barest necessities. Those of us trying to or succeeding at making a living doing this really do love it, and telling stories with photographs is what it's about for most of us. What we're trying to say is that you have to think about these things sooner, not later. When you pay a cut rate for something, don't you wonder why it's less expensive than the full-price thing? Do you think there's no connection between what you pay and the thing you've bought? No different with photography, nor with the services of a skilled photographer. -- Emily L. Ferguson""" ______________________________________________________