<<< ..which negated the unpopular English treaties with the recognised Indian nations and thus allowed the expansion of the European colony Westward .. or have I got my facts wrong again? >>> 1) Facts are determined by the power of your armed forces ;o) 2) What has this got to do with photography? Bob Thinks though: centuries after the US kicked the Brits out they still celebrate 4th July. Obtaining independance and holding it are obviously very powerful emotions. Why is it so hard to understand then that the people of an occupied land might actually want you to leave them (and thier oil) alone. Mmmm ... maybe it's about time we kicked the Normans out ... __________________________________________________________________________ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application.