After some messing around I figured out how to convert to lab, convert to bw, convert to grayscale and save as a jpg...you MUST delete all the alpha channels except for Alpha 1. Then you can save as a jpg. Thanks to Tina, Pablo, Phil and Christiane for their help. Oh happy day! Lea Murphy Whiny Dog Press www.whinydogpress.com New images www.whinydogpress.com/new.html Picture a Week PAW http://www.whinydogpress.com/paw.html