Rand, >>>I fail to see the logic of equating a lack of support for our war (which is not supported by many Americans as well as many Europeans) with a lack of appreciation for what we did for Europe in WWII. Those are two different things entirely. That's like saying that because we won the Revolutionary War with the help of France (indeed, without their help, we probably would not have won that war) that we have to agree with everything France says and does. Rather than this mode of "obligation" thinking, I prefer that each man, woman and county think for themselves and reach their own conclusions based on the data they feel are most correct. <<<< It's good to see someone with a sense of well being about all of this. Like France should still owe us after all of these years? Should we still hate Germany or Vietnam? Take care, Gregory david Stempel FIREFRAMEi m a g i n g