Re: Help with lighting ratios

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Jorj wrote:
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> Thank you all for the great input... I'll let you know how I do with this!
> 
> Jorj


Jorj, 

You didn't get any great input. Unless it came privately.

Besides all the conversations about filling a tungsten lit set with
flash, it goes something like this. 

You can't measure highlights with an incident meter. Highlights are a
property of how much light is being reflected off the subject. Incident
meters tell you how much light is falling on the subject in the first
place. In theory, the exposure suggested (it is only a suggestion btw)
by the meter will replicate an 18% gray card on film. In other words,
with the proper exposure, a photograph of a grey card will look the same
as the card photographed. Not light gray. Not dark gray. 18% gray.

The problems start when you are putting different things in the light. A
white cat will reflect much more light back to  the camera and result in
much brighter "highlights" that will a black cat. Snow, for instance
will reflect back more light than the film can handle and unless the
photographer compensates by stopping down a bit there will be no detail.
Conversely, a black cat, say Miles Davis, might have appeared darker on
film than we perceived him to be. Unless the photographer was doing an
interpretive portrait he might be served to open up the cameras aperture
to put a little more detail in the shadows of his subject.

What you are measuring when you say you are getting f11 in the
highlights is actually f11 for your "key" light. Your primary source light.
What you are measuring when you say you are getting f4 in the shadows is
actually f4 for your fill light. 

What this really means is that you should be exposing your subject at
f11 as a starting point. Since you are using slide film you should be
able to hold detail in the subject as long as it doesn't reflect back or
absorb more than 1 1/2 stops in either direction. Slide film can handle
about 3 stops of latitude in the lighting. If for instance you were
photographing a clay statue of David painted 18% gray. you would have no
problem with any of the highlights. The shadows of course could go to
black. so with your fill light at f4 you will find the fill to be 3
stops under the main exposure. The film will see none of it. Your
shadows will be black. Below film threshold. In order to be seen within
the latitude of the film. the fill light should measure 1 1/2 stops
under or less. (5.6 1/2)

Your suggestion to split the difference and expose at f5.6 1/2 will move
the tone of the statue from 18% grey to 1 1/2 stops over. On slide film
that would be white. So white as to be right on the boundaries of blown
out with no details. Your shadow detail would be 1 1/2 stops under
exposed. So dark as to be right on the boundaries of blackness.

What will happen in a real portrait depends on how far above or below
the 18% grey reflectance standard they are.
A light skinned person (reflecting much light) will be blown out with no
detail. A dark skinned person (reflecting less light) will probably look
ok in the highlights but suffer from very dark shadows.

As for the background? Here is what I would do. Measure the light on the
subject. I would open 1/2 stop but this is only from my experience with
my own meter/film/processing combination.  Adjust the light on the white
background so that it is 1 1/2 stops brighter than your exposure for the
subject. No more. No less. More will result in the light wrapping around
the subject and a loss of contrast. Any less will not give you a pure
white on slide film.

I believe most of this to be close to correct. Hopefully any mistakes
will be corrected by the professors.

best.

Snapping Bob






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