am Mon, dem 08.10.2007, um 13:05:50 -0400 mailte Bill Bartlett folgendes: > > > (Makes me have to think twice about raising > > > any _real_ issues though, like why my VACUUMs periodically keep > getting > > > into lock contentions with my JDBC connections and ultimately > causing me > > > to have to shut down Postgres w/ "pg_ctl stop -m immediate", or how > to > > > properly handle postmaster errors that don't appear to be documented > > > anywhere except in the source code... [No, it's not the absolutely > > > > most recent version of Postgres; No, I can't upgrade it.]) > > > > This isn't fair, Bill. Your original question concerned posts your > > email client has trouble processing, which isn't the primary > > topic of the list. You also knew that it was somewhat contentious, > given that > > you've made comments such as "Believe me, I'm not defending > > Outlook", so you probably weren't overly surprised at some of the > > responses you got. Also note that the responses you got were attempts > to > > solve your problem: I don't see any that only belittled your choice of > software. > > > > Most people didn't completely read my email and thus unfortunately > completely missed the point, in many cases seemingly because they were > too quick to jump on my use of Outlook as an email client (thus assuming > I was just one of "those" terrible horrible know-nothing Windows users). I can speak only for myself, but when i see damaged mails (with, for instance, broken quoting-line as you can see above, then i think: 'apparently a windoze-user'. I don't need to know the headers. > It's obvious from 3 years of reading these forums that there is a "Linux > Postgres users good, Windows Postgres users bad" bias by many (but not > all) of the members rather than them realizing that " 'we' are all > Postgres users, 'those' other horrible people are MySQL / Oracle / etc No, sorry. We are all PG-users. Nothing else. > Rereading my original email, you can see that the problem I was trying > to address was not my choice of email software but rather that several > people in these Postgres listservs (like other people in other > listservs) were intentionally misusing a specific header flag that is > used by specific email programs (only the various "Outlook"-related Outlook isn't a email-programm, it's a PITA. Nothing else. Okay, maybe a PIM. But not an email-software, for this case it can't work. At least in a useful way. > normally just grit my teeth and ignore it.) After researching this flag > further (after seeing the feedback I got on this forum), I've discovered > that this type of misuse is frequently used, and even recommended on > many Linux-oriented web sites as a means, to annoy Outlook-based users > (as a means to annoy Windows users). As I mentioned above, I think in a > forum such as this, where "we" need to all be Postgres users, I don't You should realize: Postings/Mailings generated with OjE are 'Broken by Design'. I don't need to see the headers to recognize, that the posting/email was generated with this pice of broken software, i can see it in the body. Let me say the same with other words: not the linux-users smells, the posting/emails, generated with M$-software, smells! Thats the point. > (Just for the record, not that I should have to justify my background > and biases [or hopefully lack thereof] to the group: I gave up fighting > platform wars a LOOONG time ago, back when I used to try to get the Again: i don't want a fight (or war) on OS or email-client, but, please, realise: for mailings-list there are good and not-so-good software available. And all M$-shit isn't suitable. Rule of thumb. > Windows servers). I may be using Windows on my desktop, but I don't > think I'd put myself into the category of being merely one of "those > terrible horrible know-nothing Windows users".) Noboday said that. But again, realise, Outlook and OE isn't a good email-software. It's shit, straightforward. > > at least post them and see what kind of response you get, > > rather than judge the list as a whole due to the response you got to > an > > off-topic post. Many of the people on the lists have been here for > years and > > have gotten lots of helpful advice, which is why they've stuck Can you please see this shit of broken lines? This is from YOU! Again: i've cut off the X- - header. But i wish, all users here are using functioning email-software. It makes more easily for all. And again: Outlook and OE isn't a functioning email-software. Obviously. And sorry for my broken english... Andreas -- Andreas Kretschmer Kontakt: Heynitz: 035242/47150, D1: 0160/7141639 (mehr: -> Header) GnuPG-ID: 0x3FFF606C, privat 0x7F4584DA http://wwwkeys.de.pgp.net ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
