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Re: NULLS and User Input WAS Re: multimaster

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Richard Huxton wrote:
PFC wrote:
NULL usually means "unknown" or "not applicable"

Andrew Sullivan wrote:
Aaaargh! No, it doesn't. It means NULL. Nothing else. If it meant unknown or not applicable or anything else, then
    SELECT * FROM nulltbl a, othernulltbl b
        WHERE a.nullcol = b.nullcol

would return rows where a.nullcol contained NULL and b.nullcol
contained NULL. But it doesn't, because !(NULL = NULL).

(a == b) <=> ( (a -> b) AND (b -> a))

| a  |  b  | a->b | b->a | a==b |
|----|-----|------|------|------|
| F  |  F  |  T   |  T   |  T   |
| F  |  T  |  T   |  F   |  F   |
| F  |  U  |  U   |  U   |  U   |
| T  |  F  |  F   |  T   |  F   |
| T  |  T  |  T   |  T   |  T   |
| T  |  U  |  U   |  T   |  U   |
| U  |  F  |  U   |  U   |  U   |
| U  |  T  |  T   |  U   |  U   |
| U  |  U  |  U   |  U   |  U   |

Ergo, (UNKNOWN = UNKNOWN) is UNKNOWN.  Similarly for (UNKNOWN != UNKNOWN).

Where NULL differs is that (NULL = NULL) is FALSE, and (NULL != NULL) is FALSE.

The similarity is that with NULL, SQL is not exactly saying (NULL = NULL) is FALSE so much as that it's not TRUE.

NULL follows Zen-valued logic, not 3-valued, and that seems somehow appropriate to me.

--
Lew


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