Hi, I want to do some additional data validation when data is changed through a view, and I want pretty exception messages, and I want to do some slightly complex processing when determining what data to update where in what order. So, I figured I'd make a table, put some BEFORE EACH ROW triggers on it to do all the tricky stuff, sometimes including changing other tables, and then put a SELECT rule on the table to make it look like a view. Turns out there's undocumented restrictions, and this turns the table into a view which then can't have triggers on it. I can put other sorts of rules onto a table, why can't I put a SELECT rule on a table? What's the special case here? It's probably conceivably possible to do what I want using piles of functions called by CHECK constraints, and possibly many conditional rules, but that's just grody. For me, having a select rule on a table would have additional benefit in that the front-end would recognize the table as something that can be modified. (PhpPgAdmin) As of now it considers views as un-modifiable. If a relation looks like a table in all respects, why can't it _be_ a table? If it's a matter of nobody having done the work I might conceively possibly be able to come up with a patch. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Karl <kop@xxxxxxxx> Free Software: "You don't pay back, you pay forward." -- Robert A. Heinlein