SuSE 10 is the "commercial" release from Novell. It contains additional packages not in the opensuse.org open source version. There is an eval cd and dvd set that can be downloaded of the "commercial" release - though I do not believe it is licensed for anything beyond evaluation purposes, but I could be mistaken. The open source opensuse edition is freely available and not limited to evaluation. The packages not in the opensuse version are listed here: http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/16015.html There has been some confusion (and annoyance) because I believe packages that relied on one of the removed packages were also removed. Due to Java not being included, I believe the Eclipse environment was also not included. Don't quote me on this -- I'm going from memory. Here is a link to instructions on tweaking the opensuse version: http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/178/42/ Hope this helps. If anyone has any more general SuSE questions, please ask off-list. I'll try to reply. To move this back on-topic, I have been looking at files available via FTP install for SuSE 10 (at least for the opensuse version), and the postgresql packages are there. So, it's looking more like a packaging and DVD creation error on the main DVD (at least for it not including postgresql). Hopefully. Greg On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 13:57 -0400, Alex Turner wrote: > I know this is a bit off-topic, but this is part of the problem I'm > encountering. I can't find a definitive document on SuSe licensing > and what is 'eval' and what I have to pay for... can I still download > the full version for free? or is that just the eval? It's kind of > confusing. Does anyone have information/a link to documentation that > clarifies that stuff? > > Alex Turner > NetEconomist > > On 10/11/05, Gregory Youngblood <pgcluster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Mon, 2005-10-10 at 11:04 -0700, Steve Crawford wrote: > > > > Gregory Youngblood <pgcluster@xxxxxxxxx> writes: > > > >> I've been using SuSE and PostgreSQL for a fairly long > time. > > > >> Recently (last 12 months), I've noticed that the 9.x > (9.2 and > > > >> 9.3 specifically) versions of SuSE do not include > PostgreSQL on > > > >> the CD install -- only on the DVD. At first ( 9.2), I > thought it > > > >> was just a glitch that didn't get fixed in 9.3. Now, it > seems to > > > >> have been deliberate. > > > > The real problem is that SuSE is not upfront about the > difference > > between the CD and the DVD versions of their product. > Someone (me) > > picking up the box would assume that the versions are the > same but > > packaged on two different media but they (um, me) would be > wrong. > > You are absolutely correct! It used to be that the DVD and the > CD > versions were identical, or pretty close to it. I never had to > use the > DVD, and in fact, SuSE DVDs have been notoriously wishy-washy, > unable to > complete the installation process on about 20% of the DVD > readers I've > used (no other problems for those drives with other disks), > requiring > the CDs to be used for an install. > > And to move it back on topic -- now, it appears PostgreSQL is > not on the > DVD either. For the record, this is the Eval SuSE 10.0 DVD. > > > > > ---------------------------(end of > broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster