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On 9/30/24 22:57, sud wrote:


On Tue, Oct 1, 2024 at 4:10 AM Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:adrian.klaver@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

/Where are you getting the ~2000  count from?/
Seeing this in the "performance insights" dashboard and also its matching when I query the count of sessions from pg_stat_activity.

From your OP:

"... whereas the total number of active sessions in pg_stat_activity staying <100 at any point in time."

So:

1) They don't match.

2) ""performance insights" dashboard" does not actually tell us anything. What program and what is it actually measuring?


/What do you mean by ~120 sets, in particular what is a set?
/These are the values set as mentioned in the properties file which the application team uses for connection pooling

Again this does not tell us anything.

1) A set of what?

2) What properties file?


/Using what pooler?
/I need to check on this as Its Java application(jdbc driver for connecting to DB), so I thought it must be using standard connection pooling. Will double check.

Since pooling is what you are concerned with this is should be the starting point of your investigation.


/How often do to keep alive queries run?
/Need to check. But I am not sure, in general , if these "keep alive" queries are used for keeping a transaction alive or a session alive?

With an idle_in_transaction_session_timeout of 24 hrs I don't see that it makes a difference.


As you described, a long time open transaction with a session state as "idle" will be threatening as that will cause locking and "transaction

That would be idle_in_transaction.

ID wrap around" issues to surface whereas having "idle sessions" of a closed transaction may not cause any issue as they will do no harm. Does it mean we can have any number of idle sessions or we should also have some non zero "timeout" setup for the "ide_session_timeout" parameter too (maybe ~1hr or so)?

Other then it takes up connections.


Is it correct to assume the session in pg_stat_activity with very old XACT_START are the one which are part of long running open transaction(i.e. driven by idle_in_transaction_session_timeout) whereas the ones with older BACKEND_START or QUERY_START are the one are just the idle session(driven by idle_session_timeout) but not tied to any open transaction?

I would read this descriptions here:

https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/monitoring-stats.html#MONITORING-PG-STAT-ACTIVITY-VIEW



Few observations:-

I do see, "MaximumUsedTransactionIDs" staying consistently ~200M for a long time then coming down. And its matching to "autovacuum_freeze_max_age" which is set as 200M. Hope it's expected. We have max_connections set as 5000.

"Database connection" touching ~2000 then coming down till 200. And we see uneven spikes in those, it seems to be matching with the pattern , when we have some errors occurring during the insert queries which are submitted by the Java application to insert the data into the tables.


This would have been a good thing to lead with.

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Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@xxxxxxxxxxx






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